Comments on: Is London ready for LGBT Jonathan? http://rollkit.com/2009/04/is-london-ready-for-lgbt-jonathan/ Rollkit - Online Library of the Laughable, Kitsch, Insane and Troubling Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:56:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: fnar http://rollkit.com/2009/04/is-london-ready-for-lgbt-jonathan/comment-page-1/#comment-2195 fnar Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:02:33 +0000 http://rollkit.com/?p=272#comment-2195 John Oakes, thank you for such an eloquent response, and for your opinion that I do not have a right to over-exaggerate my authority - which is what most politicians do. To pontificate also means to be dogmatic, which is akin to dictatorial. I don't think that quite sums me up. I'm really quite able to sum up all of the facts as laid in front of me, and pass an opinion - I try not to use common media, and find full text of speeches, press releases etc. to ensure I'm not speaking out of context. The opinions I give are rarely formed by the media's obsession with politics, but my own observations from things which happen, and things which I notice happening around the world, which I, last time I checked in this free society, have total freedom to pass my opinion of. I take every comment I receive seriously, and have re-evaluated the post. I haven't made any changes. I don't see where I'm dissing Jonathan Fryer. The opinion I see in this piece is of his campaign, and how I perceive it - having found no site where directed to, I searched further - for 'Jonathan Fryer' and 'Jonathan Fryer LGBT' I didn't find anything tantalising, but most crucially, there wasn't anything to tie Jonathan Fryer to any LGBT cause of recent value, yet his generic Jonathan4europe site was working perfectly fine - but with no sign of anything LGBT on the homepage. The piece is a comment on the campaign, which is put together by a team, I don't see where I'm dissing the good man you refer to (I haven't met him - yet). My message is, and remains, that you shouldn't publish yuor publicity until your website is ready. I'm guessing you're the John Oakes who is a Liberal Democrat Councillor in Bounds Green? I don't think anyone outside politics thinks we have a 'cause' in Europe, only a moral obligation and <em>right</em> under EU Conventions to be there and to have a voice, and a moral obligation as a leading world economy with a rich history of trading with the world, to unite with our neighbours. John Oakes, thank you for such an eloquent response, and for your opinion that I do not have a right to over-exaggerate my authority – which is what most politicians do. To pontificate also means to be dogmatic, which is akin to dictatorial. I don’t think that quite sums me up.

I’m really quite able to sum up all of the facts as laid in front of me, and pass an opinion – I try not to use common media, and find full text of speeches, press releases etc. to ensure I’m not speaking out of context. The opinions I give are rarely formed by the media’s obsession with politics, but my own observations from things which happen, and things which I notice happening around the world, which I, last time I checked in this free society, have total freedom to pass my opinion of.

I take every comment I receive seriously, and have re-evaluated the post. I haven’t made any changes. I don’t see where I’m dissing Jonathan Fryer. The opinion I see in this piece is of his campaign, and how I perceive it – having found no site where directed to, I searched further – for ‘Jonathan Fryer’ and ‘Jonathan Fryer LGBT’ I didn’t find anything tantalising, but most crucially, there wasn’t anything to tie Jonathan Fryer to any LGBT cause of recent value, yet his generic Jonathan4europe site was working perfectly fine – but with no sign of anything LGBT on the homepage. The piece is a comment on the campaign, which is put together by a team, I don’t see where I’m dissing the good man you refer to (I haven’t met him – yet).

My message is, and remains, that you shouldn’t publish yuor publicity until your website is ready.

I’m guessing you’re the John Oakes who is a Liberal Democrat Councillor in Bounds Green? I don’t think anyone outside politics thinks we have a ’cause’ in Europe, only a moral obligation and right under EU Conventions to be there and to have a voice, and a moral obligation as a leading world economy with a rich history of trading with the world, to unite with our neighbours.

]]> By: John Oakes http://rollkit.com/2009/04/is-london-ready-for-lgbt-jonathan/comment-page-1/#comment-2194 John Oakes Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:52:04 +0000 http://rollkit.com/?p=272#comment-2194 Jonathan Fryer has calmly championed the LGBT cause effectively for years, as a BBC correspondent and as a SOAS lecturer; and he can be expected to do so in Europe as well. He also has a fluent grasp of foreign policy issues, and a sense of how best to promote the British cause in Brussels, Strasbourg and elsewhere The fact that you are unaware of this hardly gives you the right to pontificate. You are dissing a good man. But hey, that's British politics. Ignorance can still sway the agora, as it did in Plato's time. But it shouldn't prevail. Jonathan Fryer has calmly championed the LGBT cause effectively for years, as a BBC correspondent and as a SOAS lecturer; and he can be expected to do so in Europe as well.
He also has a fluent grasp of foreign policy issues, and a sense of how best to promote the British cause in Brussels, Strasbourg and elsewhere
The fact that you are unaware of this hardly gives you the right to pontificate. You are dissing a good man.
But hey, that’s British politics. Ignorance can still sway the agora, as it did in Plato’s time. But it shouldn’t prevail.

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